The sense of human existence?

[Gajus]

Do you have an idea, why the evolution has followed to the origin and development of homo sapiens? Which task can such a furless, weak and all destroying creature have in the global ecosystem? Is nature aspiring from the simple to more and more complex organism? Is there a reason or just chaos? Is homo sapiens a new step on the ladder of the evolution or a death end road? Why do humans act like they do? Every human seems to be more or less intelligent. Now why are many humans such a stupid self destroying crowd?

Question over questions. *twitches ears while head is humming*

[Rachel]

Well, I never really thought that part out. I really don't know why humans were made.

[Gajus]

I got it!!! The big sense, the great Why, the ultimative answer ;D
OK, it's not soooo great, but last night I had a dream. Well, I can't remember the dream itself but when I awaked there was an idea in my head and everything is so simple! ;D

To understand my theory you have to know one thing at first: What is the human organism? It's not only a lifeform but a system of symbiotically working lifeforms. The human is not able to live without billions of microscopic lifeforms all over and in it's body. There are mites on our skin eating dead skin scales. In our mouth are bacteria fighting against enemy bacteria which could kill us and in our intestine there are bacteria which produce usefull substances like vitamin K what we need for blood coagulation. Even in our cells there are offsprings of bacteria with their own DNA reproducing by the help of our cells and supply energy made of oxygen, the mitochondrions. All this beings can live because we are existing and we can only live because they are existing.

Further is even such an organism not able to live without interaction with other lifeforms (systems). Humans have to eat meat, fruits and vegetables (other lifeforms, other organisms). But to keep as much lifeforms as possible alife there is a big circular system needed, an ecosystem. But one ecosystem is not yet enough: It need an exchange of energy and matter with other ecosystems.

The whole planet is coated in many different ecosystems and these are working together permanently even over big distances. Streamings of dust in the upper atmosphere are connecting ecosystems which are lying at opponent sides of the world.

Everything is one. This is the theory I am heading for. The complex interactions of uncountable system around earth leads to the conclusion that the earth is one system by itself. A lifeform?

If you accustomed this thought you are able to think further: Our blue-green planet is every moment under a bombardment of extraterrestric informations. There are radiation by our sun or other stars , dust and small meteroids of former sky objects. Ergo our earth stands in permanent exchange with the sol system and the sol system in standing in exchange with other solsystems in the galaxy. And it's going on: Galaxies influence the movement of other galaxies by their gravitation and sometimes two galaxies crash against each other and cause dying of maybe existing lifeforms there but cause the development of other maybe enliven solar systems.
Some galaxies are forming a "local group" and some loca groups are forming a (I don't know the right english word, in German it's called "Superhaufen") super crowd (?).

You see, where ever you look, everywhere are systems interacting with each other, sometimes in symbiosys, sometimes in rivalry and sometimes it's hard to determine. Is the whole universe a lifeform? Is there consciousness? Or Intelligence? With what other systems does it interacting? What role are we playing in there?

You feel realy small now, am I right? ;D
Well, I myself will enjoy my life as long as I have it.

[Gajus]

I am far away from expecting this would be the one and only truth. So if you have an own opinion about that, I'm curious to read it.

[sadisticfaction]

There should be no use in understanding the universe, as one would so beautifully phrase it, unless one can harvest from it. If one looks at today's math, take... physics. Everything in physics is directly or indirectly relatable to everything. Equations are linked to equations, because x=y/z follows that x=2ab, y=this and z=that. Then again, a=this and b=that again. And so it goes on. It forms a circle, in many ways.
I find this way of thinking to be one which steals motivation. Nothing is easily discovered in physics anymore; it seems as if no single thought is able to revolutionize anything anymore. To find something out, you need fifty years of experience on your back and millions and millions of euros spent on research, plus a whole lot of ideas, theories and etc.

The idea of the great symbiosis of the universe is one which has been around for quite some time. Indeed it is an ultimate truth that the electrical charge of the universe will never change, because nothing will ever cease to exist or come to existance out of nothing. Well, so we assume.

Anyway... moving away from the topic. You have some good thoughts here, but in the end we are all atoms and electrons stacked together in such forms and ways that life is possible. There is no real "Us" or "Me". I am simply a mass of atoms, with electrical jolts going all over the place. This is the truth in biologics, psychologics and many other -ogics, as I previously mentioned the truth in physiologics.
Yes, we interact, often very cunningly, and we can destroy and rebuild and be neutral or not, but we aren't much else. We ourselves aren't really "sentient", now are we? That's how I take to view it, but I don't feel any less surprised or amazed at how nice life can be at times. ; )

[Gajus]

These are some very interesting thoughts -
Mathematik is hardly more than a skelleton of the laws of physik in the (this?) universe. This leads to the possibility to explain it totally without using even an telescope but just juggling with numbers. I'm not sure if this is a great or a depressing thing.

The problem of discovering new knowledges is double edged: On the one hand side gouvernments are investing billions of dollars for researches in all scientistic ranges leading only to a tininess of successes. On the other hand side there is sometimes just one brain with one idea needed to revolute the whole thing we believed it was truth. Stephen Hawkins, Albert Einstein, Robert Koch are just some of them. And we are far away from understanding all problems: What is the time? Why are working the same powers in gravitation and accelleration? What is still hidden in the undiscovered areas in the primeval forests or in the depth of the oceans? What was before the Big Bang? Was there ever a "before"? And so on...

The problem about a sentient mass of elementary particles is interesting as well. Where is the border between pure physikal reaction and sentience? Is there a difference? And, if not, what does it mean for the ethic and the moral in our future doings? (I don't mean "my" or "your" doings but the collective behavior of humankind.)
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You don't have to answer all this questions, just never stop asking.

[foxinabox]

Come to think of it, did sience stop evolution of humans? but that would at the same time be wrong, because isn't the power to understand and use the things around us that makes us human.. *confusing*

Earths ecosystem is in my opinion pretty mutch fadeing because we all want to live life with tools that makes things easier for us, I'm just waiting for mother nature to stike back with some tools of armageddon (if we not are so smart and test some out ourself first ^^;; that's a human thing to do right?)